37: Burnout, Productivity, and the Power of Music: An Engaging Discussion with Dr. Li Lian Gan

Burnout is often seen as a dead-end, a barrier to productivity and creativity.

What happens if you transform it into a learning opportunity? What if it could act as a stepping stone towards understanding your energy, pace and potential?

Li Lian Gan gracefully returns for another inspiring conversation, this time placing us in a compelling exchange. She's asking the questions that lead us to reframe burnout, not as a formidable adversary but as a gentle inner whisper, urging us for pause, introspection, and personal growth.

Join me and Li Lian as we explore the transformative potential of burnout, the essence of productivity, and the often-underestimated power of music. We're crafting our unique narrative, in harmony with the rhythm of our authentic selves. You're invited to be part of this inspiring journey.

Here are the key takeaways from this episode:

03:25 - Melissa’s productivity hacks

07:11 - Tap into the infinite well of information that you are and know that that there is no such thing as the mundane

09:16 - If even just one person is impacted by your message, that is more than enough

12:55 - The burnout you are feeling can be a warning sign

17:08 - Burnout can be a process which builds up over months or probably years

18:20 - Sometimes burnout doesn’t go away, you just learn how to navigate around it

19:26 - The power of music in helping navigate burnout

23:44 - Li Lian’s biggest struggle with productivity

25:26 - Honour your human design to avoid burnout

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About the Guest

Li Lian Gan is a woman of many talents and roles – a mother of two boys, a medical doctor, an aspiring musician, and now a freelance content creator. Unconventionally, Li Lian chose to step away from mainstream clinical medicine, disrupting the typical trajectory of her career and breaking societal norms.

Her decision was fuelled by her pursuit of authenticity and a deep desire to follow her passion. She began embracing calculated risks, from transitioning out of corporate life to participating in a music production workshop. As a freelance content creator, she aids businesses in promoting their services through writing engaging content, from medical and scientific to t

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Li Lian: Everyone has their way of dealing with burnout, and I think everyone goes through burnout at least once in their lifetime. And the triggers could be different. It could be different events. Some events we can control, we can’t control. And for those events that we can’t control, we just have to come up with better coping mechanisms, I suppose.

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[00:01:19] Melissa: Welcome to another episode of the Fearlessly Curious Podcast. And with me again today is Li Lian. Li Lian Gan. Hi, Li Lian.

[00:01:27] Li Lian: Hi Melissa. Thanks for having me here. 

[00:01:28] Melissa: Oh, just I'm so happy. You know, sometimes it gets very lonely doing my solo podcast. So I'm really happy to have you with me. We can have a bit of a banter. We can explore different ways of seeing the world and life, both from a creative aspect and from an aspect that perhaps has some scientific backing. Of course, with your experience and your expertise as a medical doctor, clinical doctor, and a researcher. But now also is a content creator, copywriter. This is every episode is gonna make for some rich discussion and maybe even debate. So for those of you who don't know Li Lian, I encourage you to listen to an earlier podcast where I introduce her. But today, Li Lian is gonna put me in the hot seat. You've got some questions for me on productivity, am I right?

[00:02:18] Li Lian: Yes. And a bit some surprise questions as well.

[00:02:23] Melissa: Okay. Oh no, why do I do this to myself? 

[00:02:26] Li Lian: It's okay. You can just answer based on your gut feeling. Ok. So the first question, you're an artist, okay? You, you draw, you sing, you make music, and you coach. You do content creation. And you’re always so active on social media platforms. So how do you find the time and energy to be such a productive entrepreneur? What's your hack?

[00:02:55] Melissa: Wow. Thanks for sort of listing out all those things that I do. I don't see myself that way, and now that you've described it like that, I'm like, wow, I do do a lot of things. So if I could ask you, just ask the question again the first part of the question, which is, how do I do so much?

[00:03:13] Li Lian: Yeah, well you get to do so many things in a day, like you post multiple on social media every single day. Yeah. What is your productivity hack?

[00:03:25] Melissa: You know, my productivity hack is first of all, living and knowing that I am a creative. Okay. I know that might seem like, huh? What do you mean by that? But that means that I'm constantly in creation mode. So for a lot of people, they think, oh, okay, I'm gonna put this time aside to create, to produce, right? Because they have a belief that they're not naturally creative or naturally productive. Whereas I am in the mindset that we are all creators.

[00:04:01] Melissa: We are all creative because we are creation itself. Literally two people came together and they made us. So we are always creating and we could do the same. So even the most mundane moments, and there are moments that you think are mundane. It's content. And if you can go beyond your limited belief of this is a boring moment, there's always wisdom to be tapped in.

[00:04:27] Melissa: It's like sitting quietly on a chair. We can sit there and go, oh, I'm bored. But if I can go beyond the mundaneness of boredom, that becomes a meditation. And then maybe I might start feeling, I. The stiffness in my shoulder that I'd been powering through, right? Or maybe I might start to notice the tenderness of my heart that maybe there's some emotion there that I hadn't been taken care of, right?

[00:04:54] Melissa: Or maybe I might notice as I'm sitting there and looking, I might notice the smoothness of my skin and how beautiful my skin is. Or maybe in that moment I might notice the resilience of my body. And in that moment, I get to give myself gratitude for the incredible body that I have and how it helps me move through life every day.

[00:05:18] Melissa: So that's all content I've just given you right there that you have, and everybody has if they simply allow themselves to be present in the moment. And to connect with the moment. So the productivity hack is knowing that you're always producing. It's just whether or not you can tap in and take a picture, frame that moment in words, in a video, in a photograph. That's my answer. Does that make sense? Yes. 

[00:05:43] Li Lian: It's simply beautiful the way you incorporate all the little details. Things, they're so mundane. You make it into something meaningful, something exciting. That's, that's just beautiful.

[00:05:55] Melissa: Thanks Li Lian. And I'm gonna be transparent though. You people see me posting multiple times a day and I do struggle. Interestingly, I do struggle with production and I do struggle with content creation on a level where I, I actually can't stop. So I have content that's scheduled and I have like, 170 reels in my drafts. I'm not kidding. It's taking up loads of space on my phone. About 17 gig worth of memory on my phone.

[00:06:24] Melissa: It's all sitting there and I'm like, when do I post it? Do I, some are scheduled, some are still in drafts because the video's been made, but the content, the captions haven't been written. Right. And then I've got literally hundreds of hours of content in all the classes that I've taught. And coached. And then I've got podcast episodes, right, that are up on YouTube, but that I wanna break down into 30 seconds, 60-second clips to put on the various platforms, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube shorts, LinkedIn. So I have a massive library of content that still isn't even published yet and I don't know what to do with it. And I feel like I'm chasing every day. I'm chasing trying to keep up with it to have it ready to post. So you see how. Everybody has faced struggles.

[00:07:11] Melissa: You've got one. And someone who thinks “I've got no content ideas.” And the minute I'm just gonna give you as a warning, as a heads up, the minute you tap into that infinite well of information that you are, by knowing that there is no such thing as the mundane, you might end up where I am, which is like, okay, now I've got all this content.

[00:07:30] Melissa: But you can feature every single details. They all have the potential to be good contents.

[00:07:34] Melissa: Yeah. And that's the other thing, I think there's a pressure out there cuz people are saying, you know, don't just put loads of content. It's all about quality. But I think quality is quite subjective. What do you think?

[00:07:48] Li Lian: Yes. I think quality is in the eye of beholders as well. And also whether the content brings some value if they perceive the content to be beneficial to them, they will probably stop by and spend more time reading the content. Value as in whether it's entertainment value or whether it's knowledge value, or whether it's engagement value. So I suppose whether you have similar frequencies, that's how people perceive your value and their value systems align. 

[00:08:21] Li Lian: So the world has 80 billion people. Like we won't expect every single person to have the same value as you. So it's okay if everyone doesn't resonate with you on the social media. 

[00:08:33] Melissa: Yeah. And I think it's, you've just made such an important point there because you know, there's also the algorithm and there's also trends. Right. That's why people say leverage on the trends. Cuz if it's something is trending, and you ride on that wave and you add your flavour to it, you are increasing your chance of being seen. Exactly, but this is like tapping into engagement, into quantity. We wanna be seen by as many people as possible.

[00:08:57] Melissa: So this is where I fall into that trap. So I'm chasing that. I want increased, I want increased visibility. Not for vanity metrics, but because my mission is to create impact. I would like to support as many people as possible. However, I'm navigating burnout too, right? Because of that chase. I have to keep reminding myself every day that if one person is impacted by my message – so this goes to you as a content creator, and this goes to everybody out there in whatever you are doing – if you word, your presence, your act impacts one person, that is enough. That is more than enough. Because that one, you are gonna change that person's frequency. You're gonna change their life at some level, and that transformation that you influence, they are then gonna bring forward to another person, or maybe five people or maybe 10 people. And those 10 people will then bring it forward to another. So try not to get caught up. I'm not talking to myself, Melissa, trying not to get caught up in the metrics of numbers, because it isn't just about that. And especially if you are a visionary and many visionaries out there don't see themselves as visionaries.

[00:10:09] Melissa: And I'm speaking to the misfits and the introverts out there, right? We're a bit shy, deemed a shy. We we're selective about who we share our ideas and thoughts with and maybe we've experienced a lot of rejection and maybe ridicule and even shaming because our ideas are so radical, right? If your ideas are radical and you don't fit in, it's because you're a visionary. You are here to bring forward a new idea, and so it's quite possible that when as you begin that, your metrics are gonna be low because nobody's gonna get you. They're gonna think. What that thought is so out there. So it's possible that you'll start with small numbers, but just start. Yes, just start because everybody starts with a small number. Yep. I'm gonna stop cause I talk all day about this. 

[00:10:57] Li Lian: Alright. Will you take another question because you touched about burnout earlier.

[00:11:01] Melissa: Yeah. 

[00:11:03] Li Lian: And I know it's something close to heart. I mean, for different people. Sometimes when you experience burnout, you can kinda see it coming. Do you see patterns of burnout? Maybe you have experienced burnout like twice or three times or five times or ten times. Do you see a pattern every time? Is there a particular feel or is there a particular reason or trend that you can observe? And if you do, how do you put a stop before it goes into the full-blown burnout? 

[00:11:36] Melissa: That's a fantastic question. I'm not sure I'm the ideal person to ask in terms of how to stop it. So I've experienced burnout twice in my life, and I am still navigating out of the second burnout. The first was, nearly seven years ago. Yeah, nearly seven years ago. And that was at the end of, you know, having navigated decades of my life, living unhealthily, putting my health at risk, right? Burning the candle at both ends, living fast, hard, and fast with lots, with alcoholism and with drug abuse and just being in toxic relationships and having very low self-esteem and navigating being a caregiver to my father who was um, ill and then my soul partner two years later. So a lot of life was, life was just being life and I was not coping well with it. In fact, I was leaning into very unhealthy habits until literally, I just hit a flat line, so to speak. Not, not the best analogy, but I would've flatlined if I didn't stop, if I didn't burn out. I think I was paving my way to the end of my life, very, very honestly speaking. So I have two different beliefs around my burnout. I think burnout is important and it's a precursor to, to really extreme, uh, health compromises.

[00:12:58] Melissa: So it's there to help us. It's there to, as a warning sign, and I'm not sure. Burnout is something that can always be prevented. Sometimes I think it's needed, and I am being general here. So for me, my pattern is because I'm very productive and that comes forth from the last topic. And I'm super hyper focused, right?

[00:13:19] Melissa: So I have a goal, I know what I need to do, and I'll just produce, produce, produce, produce, produce, and, and then I'll have a pattern of. Shutting out everything else in my life, and that can begin with not eating. So I can sit down on my computer and make content and write and do my admin. So for reference, I'm also solo entrepreneur, so I do everything, everything myself, pretty much from writing to editing, to designing graphics, to building websites, to literally everything.

[00:13:48] Melissa: And you can do that when you're starting. But there comes a point in your life, in business as an entrepreneur where it's not sustainable, and because I was hyper focused on producing, I was stopping eating. I would stop exercising. I didn't have much of a social life and all those other elements of life that are good for you.

[00:14:06] Melissa: I was cutting out and so I was becoming addicted because then my self worth and value was being measured against my productivity. So the idea of stopping for lunch or going out to meet friends to me was like, I can't do that. I'm not being productive. I can't afford that time out of not working, even though I just worked 15 hours.

[00:14:26] Melissa: Right? So there was a level of addiction there, and I have addictive habits. So I did notice this starting to come through last year when my burnout was starting and I kept saying to myself, this is a bit of an addiction. Melissa, you're a bit addicted to your productivity. You're a bit addicted to learning.

[00:14:44] Melissa: You're addicted to implementing. You know, it's not good, and I would talk to myself. It's not good. You're missing your meal. So I would try to schedule lunch meetings or meeting up with my friends, but I would arrive late or I would cancel or find a reason. Not to show up, but the voice was still there. If you don't, the voice got louder.

[00:15:02] Melissa: If you don't change, you're going to burn out. And I think I said that for about two months and I just kept ignoring it. And then my chronic pain started. So these are all different ways that the mind and the body are indicating to me that I needed to pay attention, but I was so addicted. That's the only word I could use.

[00:15:19] Melissa: And I would say to myself, oh my God, you're so addicted. You need to stop. And the more I said, you need to stop, the less ability I had to stop and I watched myself spiral. I kept hearing that same voice. You're gonna burn out, you're gonna burn out. And it was always little bit more. One more day, one more hour, half an hour more.

[00:15:38] Melissa: Okay. I know I said I'd stop then, but I'll do it a bit more in retrospect, as you ask me that question, I don't think there was any other way I could have come out of that. Because I had an awareness, I was fully aware, but I was pushing it and maybe my pattern is to push it. And when I look at my human design, and maybe we can talk about that another session, right? My human design is a blueprint as of to some of the ways that I, patterns that I live. It's very clear to me that I was caught in an old way of being. But at the same time, I believe that if I can integrate that this is a way that I function to help me become more aware of what is healthy than the next time that this happens.

[00:16:18] Melissa: See how I'm speaking? It's not that I'm calling it to happen. I'm very aware that this is a pattern of mine to live, to help me live more healthily. Does that make sense? Right. It's like we don't know what we don't know. But I'm getting to know, so the very question you're asking me, how do I circumvent this?

[00:16:34] Melissa: How do I prevent this from happening? Is for me to go through it. That neuroplasticity go through it maybe a few more times, maybe only one more time. So that I get clearer on what those patterns are of approaching burnout so that I can move from it, move away from it, divert from it. Yeah, that was a really long way of answering that question. 

[00:16:57] Li Lian: I think that was intense. 

[00:16:59] Melissa: Yeah. Burnout is intense cuz that, yes. See I just embodied what it is. You know, it's like, like you just can't stop. Yes. Have you burn out before? 

[00:17:08] Li Lian: Yes. And uh, yeah, it comes in patterns and it's not really in one off episode, I would say it's, a process which builds up over months or probably years. And then it takes a long time to slowly go away as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, I mean, from my personal experience, like it could be there, it could linger on for like months and up to a year before it's gone. It's not fully gone, it's, it's still there at a baseline. You somewhat know it. But you just have to live harmoniously with it. It's like, ok, I know that's this thing in the background, but I, I still have to function. So you just find a way to navigate around it.

[00:17:50] Melissa: I love that you said that. 

[00:17:53] Li Lian: I don’t know if that's the same with you, but I think everyone has their way of dealing with burnout and I think everyone goes through burnout at least once in their lifetime. And the triggers could be different. It could be different events. Some events we control, some events we can't control. And for those events that we can't control somehow, we just have to come up with better coping mechanisms, I suppose. 

[00:18:20] Melissa: Yeah. You know, I feel very seen with what you just shared there that Yep. You know, it can take up to a year and sometimes it never goes away. Sometimes it's just about living with that low level potential. That is so true for me, and I think that what you just said, there's a golden nugget for other people who are listening that how different might our lives be and our relationship with burnout. How different might that be if we didn't reject it? If we didn't make it something that is bad but something that is there as a precursor warning to what could be devastating for our health. Yeah. So that way we kind of befriend it and so we can honour it there. And it's a low level and maybe I might respect it more if I also felt about it that way. If I made it my friend and it's always there.

[00:19:06] Melissa: Oh. Just as this gentle reminder, not a nag, not something to fear, but something that is part of my team taking care of me. Whoo. you just gave me a huge reframe right there. Thank you for that. 

[00:19:26] Li Lian: You're welcome. Thank you so much for sharing your story as well. And music plays big role in helping us to navigate our burnout. Because, say we went on a holiday. And during the holiday, you had a good time. You listened to very nice tracks and playlists. And somehow the sounds, the feelings, the experience; they kind of gel together. And so when you’re having this burnout and you revisit this music, it brings back the happiness. I mean I have tried it on my own using your intuitive music programming style and I think it works pretty well. So I think that's the power of music and yeah, helping us navigate burnout as well.

[00:20:16] Melissa: Yeah. I won't disagree with you because I do feel that music is a time capsule. Right. So we'll listen to a song and it can take us back in time. We literally time travel. You know, into that moment when you were 15 or you know, you were 21 or you were at a party, or you were watching a sunrise, or you maybe you were crying your eyeballs out, right? With the moment that you were crying, it was a revelation that you were going through, and that song can take you back to those moments and remind you of what life can be beyond your burnout. It is powerful and I do think it's undervalued. Don't you think music is very undervalued? As a resource?

[00:21:01] Li Lian: Yeah. I mean, before the times where a lot of scientific people proving the usefulness of music. Like different civilizations, Asian civilizations, they have been using music for, for as long as mankind exists. And it's been there for thousands of years. Yeah, I think it has purpose. It's just not being communicated in black and white, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work. 

[00:21:22] Melissa: Yeah, absolutely. And actually that I'd love to sort of segue and let our listeners know that Li Lian is a contributor on the blog, on my blog now. And every month is gonna be writing, writing a piece on, well on music and on wellbeing and how it's related and basically whatever she feels called to.

[00:21:42] Melissa: So head on over to the blog because there's an intro piece that Li Lian has written about music that you need to check out. And also subscribe to it cuz that way, you get it first drop every time it drops. And Li Lian, I want to say thank you to you for choosing to contribute to the blog and being part of the team. You are such an asset, not just to me, but to the community and to everybody who now listens to the Fearlessly Curious podcast. Did you have any more questions for me, or is there anything else you'd like to share on burnout and productivity?

[00:22:20] Li Lian: I think, I think we are okay. 

[00:22:20] Melissa: Yeah. Are you being an introvert now? Putting you on the spot.

[00:22:23] Li Lian: I'm an introvert and I take a very long time to ponder about things that I wanna ask and things that I wanna share. If a thing comes up recurring on my mind, and I have to take it up. When I share it it usually takes an impact. So if it's just off the hook, it's very hard for be something impactful. I mean, in terms of from my experience. So now I think I don't have any questions.

[00:22:48] Li Lian: But thank you Melissa. Thank you so much for giving me this opportunity to ask these curious questions and going deep to ask you about things that are intense and possibly stirring up some emotions. I mean, life’s like that sometimes we can have an impromptu conversations and it just draws us to very intense stuff and just brings us to deep thoughts about life and self. So that’s the beauty of life. And that's the beauty of having open communication.

[00:23:20] Melissa: Absolutely. Absolutely. I have a question for you to close with if you're open to it.

[00:23:25] Li Lian: Yeah, sure. I'll try my best to answer.

[00:23:28] Melissa: Okay. Well it kind of circles back to how we started this. So you were asking for productivity tip, you know, cuz I create so much. So my question to you would be, what is your biggest struggle with productivity? Or what is your belief? What do you believe is your struggle? Cause it tends to be a belief.

[00:23:45] Li Lian: Okay. My belief is I have limited energy, I have limited focus. So I have energy packs throughout the day. I were invest energy on doing one activity, and I usually put my 100% 120% on that. And after I complete that task, I would usually tell myself “Oh, I can’t think anymore, that’s enough for today. That’s a wrap.” I think that’s why my productivity is not that great at the moment. So I'm just wondering if there is a system where I can devise to be more productive. Because I think the system is very important if we have a system in place. Sometimes when you can't thik of a system, you just follow the system and you just do according to it and you'll still manage to hit a basic level of productivity.

[00:24:42] Melissa: Yeah. That's a great question, and there's a couple of things for me to address here. First of all, we remember that we're all different and we're all built differently, right? So you have such clarity on your level of energy, you just said, I have energy packs and you're hyper focused on the energy that you put to whatever task you're doing.

[00:25:02] Melissa: Do you get it completed?

[00:25:04] Li Lian: Yes. 

[00:25:06] Melissa: Okay. So that is a win. There is actually nothing to fix at all in the way that you're being. What is falling short for you is that you're comparing yourself to others. You are not like others. Now, if I can lean into human design, because that's another tool that I use, and it brings such clarity in the human design system, your profile type is a projector.

[00:25:26] Melissa: Now projectors have limited energy source. So you just said to me, I only have certain amount of energy a day that is aligned to your profile type in human design. So honour it. If you try and push beyond that, which is in a way what you're asking, you're saying, how do I produce more? You are going to be out of alignment and you will burn out.

[00:25:46] Melissa: Not only will you burn out, but you know other whole, it's gonna express its ways in a whole other different ways. So how you are producing right now is in alignment because you are honouring the level of energy that you have. Now, my profile in human design is a generator. Just listen to that word. I'm here to generate energy. Producing.

[00:26:05] Melissa: Yeah. I basically bring life force wherever I go. I am life force and I'm here to generate in human design system terms. I am a builder. I'm here to build, right? You are a projector. You're not here to build, actually, you're more of a guide. You're a guide for people. So for you to just simply know that whatever you put your focused energy on, is a beacon that's you showing up as you and the right people and the right opportunities will come to you.

[00:26:36] Melissa: Right? So first of all, acknowledge, accept, and honour that where you are and how you're producing is already in alignment to the best of your expression. Okay? Now, whatever frustrations you have about productivity, what I can suggest to you is that maybe you can assign, cuz you talked about a system.

[00:26:55] Melissa: So I like to time block. I don't always listen to it. You could day block, so Mondays could be your day for admin. That you use your energy pack on Mondays for one specific task maybe. Are you already doing that?

[00:27:08] Li Lian: Yes, I'm already doing that.

[00:27:11] Melissa: Then you're all set. You're all set. And maybe your perception of increased productivity could be like what you're doing right now which is collaborating with someone with an energy force. So I'm bringing the energy and you'll let me know after this episode or tomorrow whether you felt exhausted after this session or whether it was like, oh, I just did this and actually I don't feel exhausted. Okay. So I know that on your day today you are like, I'm just focused on one thing, and it was the podcast, right?

[00:27:43] Melissa: So I wait for your feedback tomorrow. Right. Let's see if you end up doing something else today and you have the capacity to, because if you do, then there's your proof that one way to increase your productivity per se is to collaborate with someone who can bring energy and energy pack with them to share with you. Okay. Does that, does that make sense?

[00:28:08] Li Lian: Yes. Okay.

[00:28:09] Melissa: Cool. Okay. We get to talk about human design. All right. That all the questions for today?

[00:28:15] Li Lian: I think so.

[00:28:17] Melissa: Productivity 101 and with human design. Thank you so much Li Lian, for putting me on the hot seat. All right, that's all for this week on the Fearlessly Curious Podcast.

[00:28:30] Melissa: If you have any questions for Li Lian or any questions that you want Li Lian to ask me in future episodes or any questions for me to ask Li Lian in future episodes, any more questions about productivity or about human design. Get into DMs on Instagram or LinkedIn or YouTube shorts or wherever it is that you're seeing this content in TikTok. And we will do our level best to address it in future podcasts. But until next time, stay fearlessly curious. Thank you.

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